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Roy Green 'referees' debate by talking a lot

Filed under: Christopher Monckton,Richard Littlemore,Roy Green — stepanovich @ 21:06

cite as: F. Bi. 2008. Roy Green ‘referees’ debate by talking a lot. Intl. J. Inact., 1:129

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Ever watched a high school debate where the judges keep asking long questions, or a parliament session where the Speaker talks a lot? Yet somehow Roy Green decided this was a good way to ‘referee’ the Littlemore vs. Monckton debate.1 It’s quite revealing that Green thought he had to force his own viewpoint through relentlessly.

Not that it’s all Roy Green’s fault, though. I got the impression that Littlemore was engaging in the debate totally unprepared. For whatever reason, he seemed to have forgotten the tried-and-proven advice that people have given — over the years, and in recent days — on what to do in debates such as these: for instance, emphasize on a few salient points, and beware of the Gish Gallop.

Anyway, though the debate’s over, yet the real struggle has probably just begun: there’s still the hordes of mysterious characters who will very likely appear on the Internets Tubes pretty soon now…


  1. By the way, I have a recording of the debate proper, but I’m not sure about uploading the whole thing due to copyright issues. It’s about 36′ and weighs in at 12MB when converted to Ogg Speex format.

Update 2008-08-18: Well, a few mysterious characters have appeared, but they’re arguably a bit different from what was predicted…



  1. I note how Monckton got fed up at being interrupted by Green. It was kind of condescending.

    On an unrelated note, I wonder if Green realizes that his claim — agricultural GHGs being the culprit — is contradicted by Monckton’s claims (‘it’s the sun’), but supported by Littlemore’s. I would have asked, as I called in, but I was disconnected.

    Comment by Brian D — 2008/08/17 @ 22:35 | Reply

  2. Brian D:

    Heck, it’s also contradicted by the earlier claims that There Is No Warming. Instead of pointing this out, Littlemore allowed himself to be simply led by the Gish Gallop.

    Comment by frankbi — 2008/08/18 @ 02:55 | Reply

  3. Yeah, Littlemore sucked.
    Clearly, if he prepared (and I have it on good authority that he received a large amount of excellent advice), he got unforgivably rattled by Monckton’s opening attack.
    There’s little excuse for that. Green was always going to join Monckton in the effort to overwhelm reason. It just goes to show why print guys should stay off the radio …

    Comment by Richard (sock) Littlemore — 2008/08/18 @ 13:20 | Reply

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  5. Richard (sock) Littlemore:

    Stage fright? 🙂

    When I heard the Monckton’s argument on the connection to online gambling, I was thinking “how the heck does that lead to vested interests in AGW?” Monckton went back and tried to repair this by talking about the solar energy connection, but it’s still a useful opening.

    (Then again, I was being just an observer, and observers tend to have a clearer view of things than active participants — simply by virtue of being observers. If I were the debating party, I’m not sure either if I’d be able to think of this response.)

    Comment by frankbi — 2008/08/18 @ 15:12 | Reply

  6. There’s a good response. Several. They all came to me in a flurry right afterward.

    As to the Socking on DSB, spamster 955 has “Steve” OUTRAGED at the idea of being both a Libertarian and a Gore supporter. OUTRAGED!

    Comment by Richard (sock) Littlemore — 2008/08/18 @ 19:43 | Reply

  7. Richard (sock) Littlemore:

    Hmm, come to think of it, it should have been possible to figure out that Monckton will not try to deny his links to Exxon. A common tactic of climate cranks when faced with any evidence of wrongdoing is to say that The Alarmists Are Just As Bad. Under this model, one can reasonably predict that Monckton will talk about Gore’s Bolshevist overlords, or the UN New World Order, etc. Or, as has happened, DeSmogBlog‘s own connections with “criminals”.

    “Libertarians believe the exact opposit of everything Gore stands for.” — steve

    Man, this rocks. 🙂

    Comment by frankbi — 2008/08/19 @ 03:00 | Reply

  8. Frank, I can’t find your email address.

    Comment by A. — 2008/08/24 @ 19:24 | Reply

  9. A.: I’ve not published it — e-mail spammers are still a problem, unfortunately. 😐

    Comment by frankbi — 2008/08/25 @ 02:43 | Reply

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