International Journal of Inactivism (now supplanted by Decoding SwiftHack)

2008/08/01

The "Sue Us" Petition is up

Filed under: "Sue Us" Petition,climate conspiracy theories,Denis Rancourt — stepanovich @ 19:23

cite as: F. Bi. 2008. The “Sue Us” Petition is up. Intl. J. Inact., 1:116–117

Well…

On Wednesday I proposed to send the climate inactivists an open letter, asking them to sue Gore and Hansen as they’d threatened to do numerous times. Since I’ve not received any further criticisms about the letter’s wording, I decided to get the petition up and running. Do sign it! 🙂

As I mentioned before, it’s not easy to conduct a good e-petition, so I’m wondering how I can enhance the petition’s credibility. A relatively quick-and-dirty idea I have is to provide a web button which signers can add to their home pages — perhaps something like this:

…except less stupid. If a signer puts this button somewhere in his home page on his organization’s web site (say), it’ll indicate that he did in fact sign the petition, and the signature wasn’t made up. (Except to those who believe that this is obviously caused by coercion from Ninja Inquisitors sent by the Great Global Warmist Conspiracy, etc.)

Again, what do you think? (By the way, feel free to use the above web button already, if you wish…)

And…

Speaking of climate conspiracy theories, I’d like to talk about Rancourt’s conspiracy theory again. He argues,

Global warming is strictly an imaginary problem of the First World middleclass. Nobody else cares about global warming. Exploited factory workers in the Third World don’t care about global warming. Depleted uranium genetically mutilated children in Iraq don’t care about global warming. Devastated aboriginal populations the world over also can’t relate to global warming, except maybe as representing the only solidarity that we might volunteer.

This sounds logical… except that exploited workers, genetically mutilated Iraqi children, and devastated natives probably don’t care about Michel Foucault either. So by Rancourt’s reasoning, perhaps Foucault’s a figment of our imagination too…

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15 Comments »

  1. Maybe he should be.

    That’s all I’m going to say.

    Comment by horansome — 2008/08/02 @ 00:08 | Reply

  2. horansome: hahah. 🙂

    Comment by frankbi — 2008/08/02 @ 04:42 | Reply

  3. (moved from the petition page)

    Barton Paul Levenson:

    “Where do I go to sign it? I can’t figure it out from the way you have your page organized.”

    Just post a comment on the petition page with your identification information. (I’ll emphasize this on the petition page — thanks for the reminder.)

    Comment by frankbi — 2008/08/02 @ 13:42 | Reply

  4. (moved from the petition page)

    Prof. Baba Ghanoush:

    “I suspected that the climate change deniers were buffoons, you mean they are serious? Serious buffoons, that is.”

    They certainly look pretty serious…

    Comment by frankbi — 2008/08/04 @ 17:54 | Reply

  5. (moved from the petition page)

    Brent:

    “Why would so many scientists participate in a farce, falsify evidence and put people at risk if they did not honestly believe what they say. CO2 traps heat. We increase CO2 we increase heat. increase heat and ecosystems shatter, animals and plants decline in numbers, the balance is thrown out.
    “Your basic argument is heat spikes like this have happened before, we dont know what will happen in the future. Cars werent around for the last heat spikes, they went down so well be fine. huh… if cars and factorys and all that CO2 emitting STUFF wasnt around when the last heat spikes occured, what could be the effect now… that they are around? CO2 rises, temperatures increase. Would you care to explain HOW the temperature is going to DECREASE? how? When the number of plants capable of doing this are in decline, whilst burning still continues HOW WILL IT STOP?
    “FYI guys, these people are putting their money were their mouths are. look im a reasonable person, if theres convincing and reliable evidence that global warming is not a threat then fine, thats great. An i told you so would be a lot better coming from you then from me.
    “i know its pretty pointless posting this, some like to belittle and hide any inconvenient truths so i doubt this will make the cut. But what they hey, ill do it anyway. If its easier for you to deny the truth and make up your own then thats fine, just don’t go suing people for doing what they know is right. They’re on your side…”

    Hey, relax… I’m not a global warming ‘skeptic’. I’m just asking the inactivists to sue Gore and Hansen because they’d been threatening several times to do that, and it’s time for them to put up or shut up. Check out the rest of this blog by the way. 🙂

    Comment by frankbi — 2008/08/06 @ 10:05 | Reply

  6. I’ve commented on Deltoid why I think this is simply a bad idea vs. just a waste of time.

    Comment by Marion Delgado — 2008/08/07 @ 17:51 | Reply

  7. (Bob B: Trolling doesn’t turn you into Galileo.)

    Comment by frankbi — 2008/08/09 @ 21:04 | Reply

  8. (brodie: Mindless linking is mindless trolling. Don’t do that.)

    Comment by frankbi — 2008/08/12 @ 02:38 | Reply

  9. Eli sees that you get a lot of Nigerian Email:)

    Comment by Eli Rabett — 2009/02/04 @ 20:49 | Reply

  10. (Some Guy: stop spewing the usual talking points.)

    Comment by frankbi — 2009/02/18 @ 06:46 | Reply

  11. (Smokey: no trolling.)

    Comment by frankbi — 2009/02/21 @ 04:18 | Reply

  12. Just found this – and signed

    I wonder if there’s arguments for scientists to sue – I take heart from the successful legal action against AIDS denialist Matthias Rath snake oil ratbag, eventhough it took 3 years and he got out of the country with his booty before the warrant was issued.
    http://www.aidstruth.org/new/news/2009/south-africa-acts-against-aids-denialist-matthias-rath

    Should the Good guys sue the Ratbags?

    Unfortunately, I can only see downsides.
    1) more of a platform for their anti-science, anti-evidence rot (although, they do better than us on that score sometimes)
    2) costly, lengthy, waste of resources, especially those of scientists, the few I know have little financial resources, nor the time to be buggerising about with these clowns
    3)another excuse to further delay whilst these ‘debates’ ensure

    Comment by David McRae — 2009/05/28 @ 03:28 | Reply

  13. (moved from the petition page)

    Dave McRae:

    (The denialists need evidence, so I’m sad to say, this wont happen. Maybe if they believed a fraction of what they transmit, then possibly they may be stupid enough to think they can manufacture evidence. Unfortunately, I don’t think they believe what they say and, unlike their followers, not stupid)

    Come on, they’re manufacturing entire legal proceedings out of thin air. A real lawsuit won’t happen, of course, but they’re certainly trying to put up enough smoke and mirrors to make it seem like there’s one.

    Ooop – I had signed this twice (2008-09-05) – my apologies Frank – feel free to delete one if you wish – I had completely forgotten I had been here before – a senior moment 🙂

    Done. 🙂

    Should the Good guys sue the Ratbags?

    Unfortunately, I can only see downsides.

    I’m not a lawyer or anywhere close to a lawyer, but that may depend on how frivolous their ‘lawsuit’ is going to be… 🙂

    Comment by frankbi — 2009/05/29 @ 17:24 | Reply

  14. (moved from the petition page)

    Edward Cordy:

    No. I did not say Gore rigged the elections. I did not say he did not rig the elections.

    I did say he committed election crimes against other party candidates –
    including candidates I did not support, such as the Libertarian.

    I did say that that is the reason he should be sued (and more: imprisoned –
    which is a form of torture).

    Oh.. and NOW I am saying Gore and Bush rigged the 2000 election, since that follows from the crimes they committed. (if you want to use the word “rigged” – ok – although that suggests programming election machines to create false vote counts, which I am not saying).

    Oh, I see, you just want to insinuate that Gore’s guilty of “election crimes” without actually stating what “crimes” Gore’s guilty of.

    Come up with something concrete to accuse Gore of, or I’ll have to assume that you’re just concern trolling.

    Comment by frankbi — 2009/11/05 @ 13:32 | Reply

  15. […] details of John Coleman’s lawsuit against Al Gore which has been imminent since March 2008; […]

    Pingback by Is Coleman v. Gore still dead? — part deux « International Journal of Inactivism (new) — 2010/01/19 @ 17:10 | Reply


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